Coby Fleener Scout

 

Tight End

Stanford

6-6 247

Draft board overall prospect rank: #28

Draft board overall tight end rank: #1

Overall rating: 81 (Borderline 1st/2nd round)

40 time: 4.45

Games watched: Stanford/ArizonaUSC/StanfordStanford/WashingtonStanford/Oregon,  California/Stanford

Positives

·         6-6 vertical threat

·         End zone weapon (10 touchdowns as a senior, 17 touchdowns from 2010-2011)

·         Catches the ball at its highest point

·         Excellent timed/straight line speed (4.45 40)

·         Has the ability to stretch the seam

·         19.6 yards per catch as a senior

·         Reliable hands

·         Big hands

·         Excellent route runner

·         Underrated blocker

·         Great blocking technique

·         Played in a conservative offense

·         Smart

·         Good weight room strength (27 reps of 225)

·         Probably has the frame to add 10 more pounds of muscle

·         3 year starter

·         Too big for safeties, too fast for linebackers

·         Has all the tools

Negatives

·         Had Andrew Luck throwing him the football

·         Always had the ball thrown to him at the perfect point

·         Was his team’s only good receiver- little competition for balls

·         Low catch totals (13, 21, 28, 34)

·         Light

·         Injury prone

NFL Comparison: Jason Witten

When Jason Witten was coming out of Tennessee, he was an unrefined prospect. He had all the tools, but because of his lack of elite production, as well as the fact that the NFL hadn’t embraced the pass catching tight end yet, he fall to the 3rd round. Fleener is unrefined as well, but he too has all the tools and in a different NFL, that could very well make him a first rounder, an early 2nd rounder at the latest.

Fleener has all the tools and certainly flashes on tape. He’s a big 6-6 tight end, like Witten, and he can go up and catch the ball at its highest point. He has 17 touchdowns in the last 2 years, including 10 this year. He’s got great straight line speed and is a real mismatch in the seam, because he’s too big for safeties and too fast for linebackers. He’s a great route runner and uses his body well.

He’s also an underrated blocker. He comes from a conservative offense where you have to be able to block to get on the field and even though he’s undersized at 245 pounds, he’s got great blocking technique. He’s been well coached and he has the frame to probably put on another 10 pounds comfortably, which will help him be a true 3 down tight end at the next level.

His upside is that of Jason Witten. Witten has been one of the best pass catching tight ends in the league for years and he’s also an above average run blocker. Fleener will probably have to bulk up the 6-6 265 that Jason Witten is at, or at least close. He is also a risk, however. He’s had the luxury of having Andrew Luck throwing him the football for 3 years, but has never had more than 34 catches in a season. He did a lot with those 34 catches (667 yards and 10 touchdowns), but with Andrew Luck throwing him the football, I would definitely have liked to see more than 34 catches.

Both Orson Charles and Dwayne Allen had significantly more than 34 catches this season (45/574/5 and 50/598/8 respectively). Fleener is a better blocker than Charles and faster than Allen and has more upside than either, but he was less productive with a better quarterback. Charles and Allen are probably safer picks, but Fleener will probably be the first tight end off the board, though not necessarily in the 1st round. 

 

Coby Fleener

Today at The Football Fan Spot, we have Coby Fleener, a tight end prospect out of Stanford. He spent 4 years at Stanford as a tight end, starting for 3 years from 2009-2011. He and Andrew Luck hooked up for a team leading 10 touchdowns in 2011 and 17 touchdowns over the last 2 seasons. His 34 catches for 667 yards in 2011 put him 2nd on the team.

At The Combine, Fleener benched 27 reps of 225 at 6-6 244 and though he did not run because of an ankle injury, he is expected to run in the 4.5s or 4.6s at his Pro Day, which would make him one of the fastest tight ends in this draft class. He’s a borderline first round pick who probably won’t make it out of the first 40 picks. He has a bright future ahead of him. Today, he is here to tell us about his game and his Pre-NFL Draft experience.

The Football Fan Spot: First, a little bit of background stuff, when did you start playing football? Favorite team to watch?

Coby Fleener: I started playing in high school. Growing up in Chicago, I was a fan of the Bears, but I wouldn’t call myself a die-hard.

TFFS: It’s been roughly 2 or 3 months since the end of your season. In what ways, if any, do you think you’ve improved since the end of the season?

CF: I have been trying to get healthy and strong, as I suffered an ankle injury at the end of the year. It has been tough to not be able to train fully with my other teammates trying for the NFL, but my ankle is getting stronger.

TFFS: Which NFL teams have met with you up to this point?

CF: I have met with a lot of NFL teams and nearly all of the tight end coaches. I have only visited one facility thus far.

TFFS: I have always found it very interesting to ask prospects what round they believe they will be drafted in, so, honestly, putting aside where you think you should be drafted, what draft range do you think you will be drafted in?

CF: I don’t know where I will be drafted, but my goal is to be drafted as high as possible.

TFFS: You didn’t get a chance to run or do drills at the Combine, but you have a Pro Day coming up. How have you been preparing for that? How is the ankle healing?

CF: I am still working on my ankle, and trying to make it strong. I’ve been practicing the various drills and running routes in addition to weight room work.

TFFS: Players always seem to get asked at least one weird question at The Combine. What was the weirdest one you were asked and how did you answer?

CF: The weirdest that I can remember is, “When was the last time you did something wrong, knowing it was wrong, and you did it anyway?” I explained the story of me sneaking out of the house in high school. In hindsight, speeding was probably a more recent answer.

TFFS: Give me a little bit of a self scouting report, what do you say you could contribute most to an NFL team? What is your biggest weakness or thing you need to work on most?

CF: I think I can contribute in a variety of ways offensively and on special teams. I think every part of my game could be improved. I’m excited to just solely focus on football.

TFFS: A lot of rookies have to play significant amounts of time on special teams. What is your experience playing on special teams?

CF: I have played a good amount on almost all special teams. Most of my special teams playing was done in my first few years at Stanford, but I played KOR every year during my college career.

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Close Win Some Losses

By Sean Geddes 

Even though this will go down as a “W” in the win/ loss column, it was not without significant losses to the Steelers.

Stop me if you’ve heard this one before.

Max Starks, the Steelers starting tackle for both Superbowl wins this decade (once at right and once at left) has been lost for the season with a disc injury in his neck. This is a big blow for the Steelers, as it is at what could be argued is their thinnest position on the entire team.

To fill the massive 6’8” void, the Steelers activated Chris Scott (who is only 6’5”) from the Physically Unable to Perform list. Scott was the Steelers fifth round draft choice this past year out of Tennessee, and was originally injured this summer while working out prior to training camp.  The other Scott, Jonathan, will be the Steelers starting left tackle going in to this week’s match up against the New England Patriots.

Special teams player Will Allen, a safety, suffered a concussion Sunday. Back up running back Mewelde Moore also suffered a concussion, as did RB/ FB Isaac Redman. These three will all undergo cognitive function testing in the next few days, in an attempt to gauge their availability for Sunday.

Should Allen be unable to go, the team will rely on Ryan Mundy to back up both safety spots, but could possibly dress Keenan Lewis, who has been inactive for all of this season. The two running back’s possibly missing this game could be even more detrimental to the squad, as the only other backs available to the Steelers are rookie Jonathan Dwyer, who hasn’t suited up this year either. There is a chance we could activate Frank Summers from the practice squad, but that seems to be a more unlikely scenario.

Other injuries (yeah, seriously, there is more) include Brett Keisel, who left the game re-aggravating his hamstring injury. His status is up in the air for Sunday. Chris Kemoeatu strained his knee and did not return, his status is uncertain. Rookie stud Maurkice Pouncey left the game but returned. Coach Tomlin said he’ll be ready come game time. He also added Heath Miller has fluid in his knee, and he’ll be limited this week in practice.

Coming off of a Monday night game, and having a short week, combined with playing a solid New England Patriots team, it is imperative that all hands be on deck for this one. It is a conference game with playoff implications. This is a game you want to have a good showing in.

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Clint Sessions Jaguars

 

The Jaguars needed a linebacker, but spending 29 million over 5 years, with 11.5 million guaranteed on a marginal linebacker like Clint Sessions wasn’t a smart move. Clint Sessions is a system linebacker that had some success with the Colts’ because he fit their scheme, but he could easily not have that same success in Jacksonville. Sessions is also coming off of a major injury. Why are the Jaguars spending all this money on linebackers went they just drafted for the future with Blaine Gabbert?

Grade: D

 

Clint Boling Scout

 

Guard

Georgia

6-5 310

Draft board overall prospect rank: #87

Draft board overall guard rank: #8

Overall rating: 70 (mid 3rd)

40 time: 5.37 (projected)

3/27/11: There was a time when I really liked Clint Boling. I actually had him as my top rated offensive tackle (this is not a good offensive tackle class) heading into the season. As I started watching him more, it became clear, this guy struggled way too much with speed rushers to be a tackle in the NFL. He wasn’t athletic enough to play tackle and would have to move inside. Measurements at the Senior Bowl confirmed this. He had too short of arms to play outside.

Fortunately for him, he has so much experience at other positions that moving inside wouldn’t be that hard. He’s played tackle for the past 2 years, but he also has experience at guard and has even played some center, not a lot, but some. Guard seems like it’s going to be his position going forward, and he’s done well as a guard this offseason, especially at the Senior Bowl.

He is impressing in workouts and proving what there was never any doubt about, this kid has a good grasp of the fundamentals. He’s a good technician. He’s smart and versatile. He’s problem is, he’s just not that athletic. He’s rising on my board of late and that seems to be the general consensus. He could go in the 2nd round and is most likely coming off the board in the 3rd round.

NFL Comparison: Eric Steinbach

 

 

Clifton Geathers Scout

 

 

3-4 Defensive End

South Carolina

6-7 299

40 time: 4.97

Draft board overall prospect rank: #191

Draft board 3-4 defensive end rank: #13

Overall rating: 54*

            4/7/10: Clifton Geathers made the surprise decision to come out a year early this year, despite only recording 5.5 career sacks in 3 seasons at South Carolina, one as a sparingly used backup, one as a situational guy, and one as a starter. His physical upside certainly has scouts buzzing, but I have to question his decision to come out early. He’s not going to be drafted on the first 2 days and will probably have to wait until the 5th or 6th round to hear his name called, so the decision to come out, rather than polish his game in school, is questionable. That being said, he is a large pass rusher with excellent bulk and extremely long arms. He has football in his blood. His brother Robert is the starting left end for the Cincinnati Bengals and Clifton may be even more athletic than his freakishly athletic brother. He looks as physically opposing as guys like Calais Campbell, who have bright futures in the NFL, but, even compared to Campbell, Geathers did not show himself to be someone who’s play matches his upside. He had good moments last year, but those were few and far between. He’s extremely raw as a pass rusher. He doesn’t play with good control and leverage. His motor runs hot and cold, most often cold, and he doesn’t do well in pursuit. He’s not a great tackler. He lacks elite motivation. I would draft him late on upside alone, but I am not counting on him to be much at the NFL level.

NFL Comparison: Tony McDaniel

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Cleveland Browns

 

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2010 Projection:  

The Browns figure to be one of the worst teams in the league this year once again. They appear to be heading in somewhat the right direction, drafting a new quarterback to try to fix this mess. However, as has been said, Colt McCoy isn’t going to see the field much this year, if at all, because Mike Holmgren doesn’t feel he’s ready. This is a very smart idea considering how much better quarterbacks have been in their career if they’ve had a rookie redshirt year. With mid round picks, sitting them a year seems to be the whole way they pan out, at least when you look at the last few years with guys like Drew Brees, Matt Schaub, Chad Henne, and Kevin Kolb. I wasn’t huge on Colt McCoy coming out of school, but I like him a lot more if they sit him this year and let him learn a pro style offense and develop.

However, that leaves this year and that leaves Jake Delhomme as their starting quarterback. This is the guy who threw 18 picks to 8 touchdowns last year with Carolina. He’s been alright in the past and some might be expecting a bounce back year for him, but I wouldn’t hold my breath. His receivers aren’t going to help him out much. At least in Carolina he had Steve Smith. Here, he has Mohammed Massaqoui, Brian Robiskie, and Benjamin Watson. Good luck.

Their running game could be solid, but as we’ve seen before, that doesn’t matter much if you’re team can’t create yards through the air. Look at Tennessee. Chris Johnson rushed for 2000+ yards, but they didn’t even make the playoffs. In order to make the playoffs, you need at least a top 15 quarterback and even with a top 15 quarterback, you’d probably need a top 10, top 12 defense, which brings me to the other side of the ball.

They made some solid additions on that side of the ball this offseason, but overall I think it’s just as mediocre of a group as it was last year. Sheldon Brown helps their secondary a bit, but I don’t think any of their draft picks will have an immediate impact. They drafted 3 defensive backs, 2 of which I really didn’t like, and defensive backs take a while to develop and see the field anyway. Joe Haden will probably be their nickel back this year, but he’s not going to help them out in any huge way this year.

Projection: 2-14 4th in AFC North

Power Ranking: 32 

Last season: 5-11

Draft:

#7 CB Joe Haden (Florida)

The Browns were an awful team last year, as they were for pretty much the entire last decade. They really needed to go with someone who can help them right away and Haden, because of their depth at cornerback, will probably not start until year 3. They should have tried to trade down here (though I can’t say I know they didn’t try) and if they couldn’t, they needed to take a quarterback like Jimmy Clausen.

Grade: C+

#38 S TJ Ward (Oregon)

Huh? The Browns needed to take a quarterback here and could have taken Jimmy Clausen in the 2nd round, but instead they decided to take a 5th round prospect at safety. Yeah, safety was a need, but Ward is a huge reach by a count of 3 rounds, and doesn’t have a lot of positional value for a team that needs to get better in a hurry. By taking a cornerback who won’t start until year 3 and taking a safety that has no business ever starting in the NFL, the Browns have somehow managed to not make themselves any better at all with their first 2 picks, at least not immediately.

Grade: F

#59 RB Montario Hardesty (Tennessee)

I don’t love Colt McCoy, but the Browns need a quarterback so I don’t see why they didn’t take one here. I mean, they had to have traded up for a reason, but apparently that reason was to take a 2nd string running back, which wasn’t a huge need at all. They would have been fine with Jerome Harrison and James Davis at running back next year. I don’t see how this pick makes them much better next year either.

Grade: C-

#85 QB Colt McCoy (Texas)

I have to hand it to Mike Holmgren. I guess Colt McCoy was his guy all along and he was able to have the guts to wait on him, knowing he’d probably fall. However, that could have ended up looking pretty stupid. Still, I don’t mind the pick. I don’t love McCoy and I had higher rated quarterbacks available, but at least it’s the right position.

Grade: A-

#92 G Shawn Lauvao (Arizona State)

The Browns reached for a 5th round prospect in the 3rd at a position of little value? Really? That doesn’t sound like them. I like Mike Holmgren just wanted to guy his quarterback out of this draft and let Eric Mangini do the rest of the drafting. So many of these picks look like classic Eric Mangini picks. Either that or Mike Holmgren is less smart than I give him credit for.

Grade: D

#160 S Larry Asante (Nebraska)

At least he fits the draft range, but the Browns have so many more important needs that they can’t really drafted another safety. Plus, I don’t like Asante. I don’t think he’s a starting caliber player in the NFL. What’s with all of these bad teams not paying attention to positional value. Who is going to catch Colt McCoy/Jake Delhomme’s passes, what about their defensive line, rush linebacker?

Grade: B-

#177 WR Carlton Mitchell (South Florida)

He fits the draft range, has great upside, and fills a need, so this is probably one of their best picks, but they did have better options, though I can’t bash this pick too much.

Grade: B+

#186 3-4 DE Clifton Geathers (South Carolina)

Finally, some good positional value. Geathers is a perfect fit with huge upside at the 3-4 end position for the Browns and can serve as their replacement for Corey Williams.

Grade: A

Overall:

The Browns could have done worse, but not much. I don’t think they made themselves any better for next year at all, and because of that, I think they actually made themselves worse for next year. However, even with all of their reaches and picks that lacked positional value, they did draft a cornerback in the first with really good upside and a potential franchise quarterback in the 3rd, though I don’t like McCoy’s chances, even with a year on the bench, as Holmgren has said he will give him.

Grade: C

Key undrafted free agents:

RLB Auston English (Oklahoma)

Rush Linebacker:

The Browns actually managed 40 sacks as a team, but no one had more than 6.5 so they still have that need for an elite pass rusher. They could target Derrick Morgan at 7 if they feel he would fit their 3-4 scheme, which I feel he wouldn’t. Otherwise, they’ll have to wait until the 2nd round or later to get an elite rush linebacker which would be smart because of the alarming rate at which rush linebackers have been busting in recent years.

Traded for Chris Gocong 

Wide Receiver:

The Browns drafted 2 wide receivers in the 2nd round last year, but there’s a good chance that one doesn’t pan out and even if both do, I don’t see either as that elite deep threat of a wide receiver. Their first pick could very well be an elite #1 wide receiver to replace Braylon Edwards, preferably one who tries. They need to get Brady Quinn help ASAP.

Drafted Carlton Mitchell (#177) 

Middle Linebacker:

A real 3-4 middle linebacker upgrade next to D’Qwell Jackson is needed. David Veikune doesn’t fit the scheme at all and was a major reach in the 2nd round last year.

Signed Scott Fujita 

Quarterback:

353 throws doesn’t make a career, but Brady Quinn’s career is on thin ice. They should give him one more year to prove himself, but if he struggles early, they will want someone in the bullpen warming up because for the sake of the public defense of Cleveland we don’t want Derek Anderson playing quarterback again. Unsuspecting innocent citizens will be belted will footballs while walking the streets on Sundays. Both Mike Holmgren and Eric Mangini will want a chance to bring in their own guy at quarterback so I would be very surprised if they didn’t take one before round 4.

Traded for Seneca Wallace, Signed Jake Delhomme, Drafted Colt McCoy (#85)

Cornerback:

They have very little depth at the position and Brandon McDonald is better as a nickelback anyway. They need a good corner opposite Eric Wright. If they use the best available strategy again this year, Joe Haden could very well be their pick at 7. If they don’t take Haden, expect them to look at a cornerback later for depth purposes only. They have other needs.

Drafted Joe Haden (#7), Traded for Sheldon Brown 

Offensive Tackle:

Joe Thomas is a stud left tackle, probably the best in the league, but John St. Clair was one of the worst starting right tackles in the league last year. Makes you wonder why they gave him a three year deal after how bad he was with the Bears. Right tackle doesn’t have a ton of positional value, which of course means Eric Mangini could spend an early pick on it, and this isn’t a huge need considering how well their line played as a whole thanks to Joe Thomas, but they could have one of the top 5 offensive lines in the league with an upgrade at right tackle.

Signed Tony Pashos 

Tight End:

The Browns started several different tight ends last year and it got so bad that they had to promote Evan Moore from the practice squad to start late in the season and he did a better job than anyone else. However, tight end doesn’t have a huge positional value so it can wait another season if he has to, but picking up a 1-2 year stopgap in free agency might be nice.

Signed Benjamin Watson, Signed Alex Smith

Free agents:

QB Derek Anderson- signed with Cardinals 2 years 7.5 million

QB Brett Ratliff (exclusive rights)

RB Jerome Harrison (restricted)- resigned 1 year 1.7 million

RB Jamal Lewis 

FB Lawrence Vickers (restricted)- resigned 1 year 1.7 million

WR Donte Stallworth- signed with Ravens 1 yr .9 mil 

WR Mike Furrey 

WR Sydndric “I could not make this name up if I tried” Steptoe (restricted)

OT Ryan Tucker

G Rex Hadnot- signed with Cardinals 3 years 9 million

C Hank Fraley- signed with Rams 

C Eric Ghiaciuc 

RLB Matt Roth (restricted)- resigned 1 year 1.8 million

RLB Arnold Harrison (restricted) 

MLB Jason Trusnik (restricted)- signed 1 year 1.6 million

MLB D’Qwell Jackson (restricted)- resigned 1 year 1.7 million

MLB Blake Costanzo (exclusive rights)- resigned 1 year

S Brodney Pool (restricted)- not tendered, signed with Jets 1 year 1.3 million

S Abram Elam (restricted)- tendered (2nd)- resigned 1 year 1.7 million

K Shaun Suisham 

Offseason moves:

Browns sign WR Bobby Engram

Browns cut K Shaun Suisham

Browns cut C Eric Ghiaciuc

Browns re-sign MLB D’Qwell Jackson 

Browns re-sign RB Jerome Harrison

Browns re-sign RLB Matt Roth

Browns re-sign S Abram Elam

Browns re-sign FB Lawrence Vickers

Browns sign K Shaun Suisham

Browns sign TE Alex Smith

Browns sign C Eric Ghiaciuc

Browns acquire CB Sheldon Brown, RLB Chris Gocong from Eagles for DE Alex Hall, 2010 4th, 5th rounders

Browns re-sign MLB Blake Costanzo

Browns trade QB Brady Quinn to Broncos for FB Peyton Hillis, 2011 6th-rounder and 2012 late-rounder

Browns trade DE Kamerion Wimbley to Raiders for 2010 3rd-rounder

Browns sign QB Jake Delhomme

Browns re-sign MLB Jason Trusnik

Browns cut TE Steve Heiden

Browns sign TE Ben Watson

Browns cut QB Derek Anderson

Browns acquire QB Seneca Wallace from Seahawks for conditional 2011 pick

Browns sign MLB Scott Fujita

Browns sign OT Tony Pashos

Browns announce retirement of OT Ryan Tucker

Browns trade DT Corey Williams and 2010 7th-rounder to Lions for 2010 5th-rounder

Browns tender MLB D’Qwell Jackson

Browns tender RB Jerome Harrison

Browns tender MLB Blake Costanzo

Browns tender MLB Jason Trusnik

Browns tender FB Lawrence Vickers

Browns tender S Abram Elam

Browns tender RLB Matt Roth

Browns cut C Hank Fraley

Browns cut RB Jamal Lewis

Browns cut WR Donte’ Stallworth 

Clemson/North Carolina

 

Spotlight #1: Clemson TE Dwayne Allen

Spotlight #2: Clemson DT Brandon Thompson 

1st quarter

13:41: Interception by Clemson safety Jonathan Meeks, a talented junior player.

12:33: Allen drops a low screen, heard footsteps from Zach Brown.

10:55: Zach Brown in on a sack by himself.

10:02: Thompson gets into the backfield on a run, can’t quite get the tackle.

8:53: Andre Branch on a tackle for a los, good job by Thompson as well, taking on blocks on that play.

7:55: Allen targeted but deflected away by North Carolina linebacker Kevin Reddick, a talented junior player.

7:50: Charles Brown with a nice pass breakup against awesome freshman Sammy Watkins. Brown also had a tackle for loss earlier.

6:30: Allen with a holding penalty on a run block.

6:10: Coples with a quarterback hit.

5:39: Zach Brown on an explosive play for his 2nd sack on the game already. A very fast sack.

4:01: Thompson into the backfield quick, but the play is blown dead quick on a false start by the offense.

1:30: Allen with a nice run block.

2nd quarter

14:02: Meeks with a tackle for loss. He’s been everywhere tonight.

12:38: Thompson, who is being consistently double teamed, does a good job of disengaging and tackling a scrambling quarterback from behind.

11:13: Thompson pancaked.

9:23: Allen for a few yards on an intermediate curl route.

3:16: Allen not quite on the same page with his quarterback on a short pass. Incomplete. Needs to find the ball quicker than that.

2:16: Zach Brown doing everything, pass deflection here.

1:58: Thompson moves around a little, in on a short tackle.

0:40: Allen targeted, but incomplete and inaccurate as the quarterback was under pressure.

 

3rd quarter

13:43: Allen targeted, but not open. Zach Brown is doing a very good job on him.

11:35: Allen open underneath on an out route for the 1st.

11:01: Coples in on a sack, wiped out by a facemask by Kareem Martin.

7:26: Coples with a strip sack.

4:02: Allen doesn’t get his head around fast enough to catch the ball. This is the 2nd time this has happened tonight.

3:45: Allen makes a nice vertical catch along the sideline.

3:37: Allen targeted when his quarterback is under pressure, Allen, the safety blanket, makes the catch. Mental lapse however as he hadthe first down, but ran backwards. Luckily it was only 1st down. 2nd and 1 now.

2:03: Allen getting targeted more, this time for about 5 or so yards in the red zone.

1:46: Allen wide open down the seam, touchdown.

4th quarter

9:58: Clemson up 59-24 has pulled its starters, but I’m still interested in North Carolina’s defensive players.

0:00: Dwayne Allen is the consensus top tight end prospect in this weak tight end class with 33 catches for 432 yards and 5 touchdowns after this game. He had 6 catches for 51 yards and a touchdown tonight, but he really should have had more than that. He was targeted a lot and he had a few mental lapses and was overall covered well by North Carolina’s Zach Brown. Allen showed himself to be a decent blocker, but there’s room for improvement there. He’s 6-4 255 so he has the frame to be a blocker, he’s just not asked to block a lot in Clemson’s offense. He’s athletic enough to make up for his average to below average blocking ability and he still figures to be the first tight end off the board, but I’d say 2nd round rather than 1st round.

Zach Brown was the linebacker matched up with Allen for most of the game and he did a good job covering him. He’s a strong coverage linebacker, which makes up for the fact that he’s only 230 pounds. He’s also extremely athletic and makes plays all over the field. I’ve now seen two North Carolina games, spotlighting Brown in neither of them, and he’s still managed to impress me in both. He had 7 tackles, 2 sacks, and a pass deflection in this one. In 8 games, he has 52 tackles, 4.5 sacks, and a pick. He looks like a solid first rounder.

The other highly rated North Carolina defensive player, Quinton Coples, had another great game. He dominated when I last saw him against Louisville, but that was Louisville. Clemson is a bit of a tougher test as they played very well against Brandon Jenkins, a potential first round pick at defensive end. Coples had one sack and could have had 2 if it wasn’t for a facemask penalty against another play. He forced a fumble and once again help up well against the run, his specialty. He can play defensive end in both a 3-4 or a 4-3.

Another defensive player for North Carolina, Charles Brown, looked good early, making some plays, but Sammy Watkins was too much for him. Watkins had 8 catches for 91 yards and a touchdown, which is actually a bad day for him, but Brown, an undersized cornerback, once again showed why he’s not much more than a late rounder.

The other spotlight in this game was Brandon Thompson. Thompson did a solid job against the run, but he wasn’t as dominant as he good have been against a decent, but not great North Carolina offensive front. I think he’s a little overrated. Jerel Worthy is better than him. Worthy has played better against better offensive lines and he’s a little bit more athletic. Thompson can be a solid 4-3 nose tackle and this isn’t a strong defensive tackle class, but he’s hardly the top 15 pick some say he is. 

 

Clemson/Boston College

Spotlight #1: Boston College MLB Luke Kuechly

Spotlight #2: Clemson DE Andre Branch 

1st quarter

14:51: Branch run at, disengages, helps stuff the runner for a short gain.

10:22: Touchdown goes over Kuechly’s head, doesn’t notice a guy get open behind him. He needs to show better awareness than that.

9:26: Branch pancaked.

9:10: Kuechly with his first tackle, this one 6 yards away from the line on a quarterback keeper.

8:13: Kuechly with a tackle on a short completion.

7:56: Botched snap, Kuechly explodes up the middle with a tackle for a loss after the recovery.

7:16: Kuechly fights off a block, gets a tackle on a 3 yard run up the middle.

6:38: Kuechly helps finish off a pass catcher short, on a check down. Now 4th and 1.

5:43: Donnie Fletcher, a cornerback, and the other highly rated prospect on Boston College’s defense, forces a huge drop with a huge hit.

5:32: Kuechly in on another tackle on 3rd down, forcing Clemson to kick a field goal.

4:47: Branch draws a double team, allows another defensive lineman to get in on a strip sack. Recovered by the defense, Clemson.

2:40: Branch forced off a running lane with a double team.

0:19: Branch with a quarterback pressure, albeit on a screen pass.

2nd quarter

13:16: Kuechly could have had another tackle, but he’s tripped up in pursuit by his own teammate.

12:37: Kuechly can’t cover Dwayne Allen. Very few can. This guy is the top tight end in this draft class and a potential first rounder should the junior declare.

11:41: Kuechly juked out badly by a ball carrier.

8:36: Branch in on a tackle for no gain on a keeper.

3:07: Branch is just short on a dive tackle try.

1:55: Branch gets pressure into the backfield, but it’s a run up the middle, touchdown. A little too overaggressive here by Branch.

1:04: Kuechly sticks his nose in on a short run up the middle.

0:42: Kuechly can’t quite shake a block in time to stop the ball carrier before a first down, but still gets the tackle anyway.

0:20: Kuechly in coverage, allows catch even with an uncalled pass interference on Kuechly. He’s having trouble in coverage.

3rd quarter

14:21: Kuechly with another tackle but it’s after a sizable gain through the air. Not his fault on the completion this time though.

10:23: Branch with a combined tackle, but not before a 9 yard gain on first down.

9:13: Branch near a sack, forces quarterback to get rid of it, picked. That’s better than a sack.

9:07: Kuechly in on a short stuff near Clemson’s end zone. Close to a safety.

8:12: Kuechly picks up the fumble, runs it in short for a touchdown, but the running back is ruled down by contact afterwards. Still a nice effort and an instinctive play to get that one.

7:59: Kuechly on another tackle when Clemson runs up the middle with it. Tonight, if BC’s defensive line doesn’t stuff the ball carrier, Kuechly has. And this is no slouch at running back. Andre Ellington is very good and they’ve kept him in check.

5:58: Branch comes off the edge quickly, quarterback pressure and hit, but hit with what, in my opinion, was a bullshit roughing the passer penalty.

4:47: Kuechly with a tackle on the outside. For as many tackles as Kuechly has, he hasn’t had a lot on the outside. He’s not looking like a sideline to sideline player.

3:20: Kuechly makes another stop.

2:37: Kuechly showing some sideline to sideline speed here to get in on a tackle on the outside.

1:17: Kuechly with another tackle on a run up the middle. You can’t break this guy’s tackles once he initiates contact.

0:25: Branch in the backfield with a tackle for a loss. So quick and powerful off the snap.

4th quarter

11:24: Andre Ellington has been kept in check all night by Luke Kuechly among others, but this time he runs away from Kuechly, 35 yard touchdown.

8:40: Branch looks comfortable dropping into coverage, at least on the occasions he’s been asked to. He certainly has the athleticism to play rush linebacker at 6-5 260.

8:12: Branch hits the quarterback as he throws, while rushing from an upright position, something else he’d have to do as a rush linebacker.

7:38: Branch misses the sack on his first try, but does not give up, spins off a block and gets a combined sack from behind. He’s playing very well with drive with Boston College having to pass every play. He’s clearly much better as a pass rusher than anything else.

5:41: Branch, swim move, gets pressure on a failed 4th down completion by Boston College.

5:33: Kuechly unable to disengage and tackle on his first try, but recovers and combines for a tackle after a medium sized run.

5:05: Kuechly finishes off a guy on a stuff at the line.

4:20: Kuechly relentless in pursuit on an outside tackle after the receiver catches the ball in the flat, tackle for a loss.

0:00: Kuechly officially had 16 tackles in this game, but it felt like at least 20. He’s one of the best, if not the best, tackler in college football. You don’t break his tackles and he’s around the ball on almost every play. Andre Ellington is one of the premier backs in college football, but with the exception of a 35 yard run on a play away from Kuechly, Ellington managed just 82 yards on 21 carries tonight and Kuechly is a big part of that reason.

Kuechly does struggle in coverage and he’s doesn’t have great sideline to sideline ability. I think he’s more of a middle linebacker than an outside linebacker at the next level because he doesn’t have elite speed, but at 235 pounds, he’d be a pretty small middle linebacker. Normally small middle linebackers make up for it in coverage, but he was terrible in coverage today. I’m obviously giving him a first round grade and a high first round grade at that because of his run stuffing abilities on inside runs, but I don’t see him as being a big future Pro Bowler type. The commentators today compared him to Brian Urlacher tonight and I don’t see that at all. He’s more of a Paul Posluszny type.

As for Andre Branch, he definitely showed great pass rushing ability and he could get in the first round on his ability to rush the passer. He wasn’t great against the run, but he had his moments and he looked solid in coverage for teams looking at him as a 3-4 rush linebacker. I just need to see a little bit more consistency from him. He had one amazing game with 4 sacks against Virginia Tech last year, but I want more consistency from him. If he can have a few more good games, he’s going to get a first round grade from me.

Two other NFL prospects, Donnie Fletcher and Dwayne Allen, had notable games. Fletcher had a ton of trouble with true freshman sensation Sammy Watkins, who caught 7 passes for 152 yards and a score even though Tajh Boyd had to leave with injury midway through the game. Allen, meanwhile, had 4 catches for 49 yards. Kuechly had a lot of trouble covering him. Allen definitely has the athleticism, the abilities, and the numbers to take advantage of this weak tight end class and possible move up into the first round. He has 22 catches for 340 yards and 4 scores on the season.

Clausen vs. Bradford

 

About a month ago all the talk for the first pick was about Gerald McCoy or Ndamukong Suh. I did not do any comparison or debate between which of them was better for one simple reason, I didn’t think either of them had a shot at the #1 pick unless the Rams were really stupid and passed on a franchise quarterback for a franchise defensive tackle. A month has passed and, sure enough, all the talk is about the Rams taking a quarterback #1. Even Todd McShay, notorious NFL Draft bandwagoner, has a quarterback going #1 overall. The issue I’m talking about here is which quarterback they should take. Every one and their dog has Sam Bradford going #1, but I have taken a controversial approach to the Bradford/Clausen debate, by talking Jimmy Clausen. I know numbers aren’t everything, but here are some numbers to support it. I will compare Sam Bradford’s best season as a Sooner (2008) to Jimmy Clausen’s best season as a member of the Fighting Irish (2009).

Completion Percentage

Bradford: 67.9%

Clausen: 68.0%

YPA

Bradford: 9.77

Clausen: 8.76

TD/INT

Bradford: 50/8

Clausen: 28/4

Now, you’ve probably noticed that those numbers are very similar. However, take these things into account. Bradford’s season was 2008, Clausen’s was 2009. Since Bradford’s amazing season, he has had 2 shoulder separations and 1 shoulder surgery. Clausen played his 2009 season with a foot injury. Clausen played 2009 in a Pro Style offense, throwing Pro Style routes from under center, something he’ll have to do in the NFL. Bradford did not. Bradford played in a scheme that not only doesn’t convert to the NFL, but is notorious for producing bad NFL quarterbacks. There isn’t a lot of guess work with Clausen. He had all of his success in a Pro Style offense, which means he’s a lot more likely to pan out than Bradford. Clausen played his 2009 season with about half the talent around him that Bradford had, Bradford being supported by the league’s best offensive line and one of the league’s best running game (2779 yards 45 touchdowns). Speaking of offensive lines, take a look at how many sacks each quarterbacks took during their best season.

Sacks

Bradford: 11

Clausen: 24

Clausen did all of that with at least twice the pressure than Bradford had in his face. In the NFL, both of these quarterbacks are going to go to teams that are bad and hence, teams that have bad offensive lines. Why wouldn’t you want the guy used to producing in harsh conditions, in a Pro Style offense, with little talent around him, over the guy who is used to producing in relatively easy conditions, in a shotgun gimmick offense, with tons of talent around him.

Record

Bradford: 11-2

Clausen: 6-6

Record in games decided by less than 7

Bradford: 0-0

Clausen: 4-6

The only area Bradford has Clausen beat is team record. However, that wasn’t all his fault. The defense supporting him wasn’t great and, considering Clausen led the offense, with no running game, to 30.1 points per game, it’s hard to blame Clausen, though as the quarterback, he does deserve some blame. Clausen lost all 6 games by 7 points or less, which shows he didn’t step up in the clutch enough, but he also did win 4 games in the clutch. Bradford? Well, he was so sheltered at Oklahoma in 2008 that he never played a game decided by less than 7 points. We don’t know how Bradford performs in the clutch. He has never been tested.

I know what you’re thinking. Bradford had two great seasons and Clausen only had one. While one of my major knocks on Clausen is the fact that he’s a bit of a one year wonder, Bradford still did come out of a scheme where everyone had a good year as a quarterback. Look at Landry Jones, Bradford’s replacement when he went down with injury this year.

Jones had a 58% completion percentage with 26 touchdowns to 14 picks and a 7.1 YPA, not great, but also pretty good for a freshman. Let’s take a look at Oklahoma’s last ten quarterbacks in the Bob Stoops era.

2009: Landry Jones 58% 26 touchdowns 14 picks 7.1 YPA

2008: Sam Bradford 68% 50 touchdowns 8 picks 9.8 YPA

2007: Sam Bradford 69% 36 touchdowns 8 picks 9.2 YPA

2006: Paul Thompson 61% 22 touchdowns 11 picks 7.9 YPA

2005: Rhett Bomar 54% 10 touchdowns 10 picks 6.6 YPA

2004: Jason White 65% 35 touchdowns 9 picks 8.2 YPA

2003: Jason White 62% 40 touchdowns 10 picks 8.5 YPA

2002: Nate Hybl 58% 24 touchdowns 8 picks 7.0 YPA

2001: N/A (could not find)

2000: Josh Heupel 65% 20 touchdowns 15 picks 7.6

Guess how many combined NFL starts that group has? 0

Yes, Bradford is the best of this group, but by how much. Oklahoma’s scheme is known for making quarterbacks look better than they actually are.

The final point is strength of schedule. Clausen did not play Bradford’s 2008 schedule in 2009, but he wasn’t far off.

Bradford’s 6 toughest games

Florida

Texas

Kansas

Texas Tech

Oklahoma State

Missouri

Stats 168-245 (69%) 2169 yards (8.9 YPA) 20 TD 4 INT

Clausen’s 6 toughest games

USC

Washington

Connecticut

Stanford

Nevada

Boston College

Stats 141-206 (68%) 1912 yards (9.3 YPA) 17 TD 1 INT

Not exactly the same strength of schedule, but Clausen was better in tougher games than in normal games whereas Bradford was not. Also, when you consider the difference between the good teams Clausen played and the great teams Bradford played is offensively and not defensively, the difference in the strength of schedule is not so profound.

In conclusion, Clausen is proven in a Pro Style offense in tougher conditions through injury, whereas Bradford is proven in a College Style offense in much easier than normal conditions. Clausen struggled somewhat in close games, but at least he played close games, whereas Bradford did not. Bradford comes from a scheme that inflates quarterbacks stats and does not produce good quarterbacks, whereas Jimmy Clausen comes from a traditional West Coast Offense system, which he may have to run in the NFL, considering how popular it is becoming (St. Louis who has the first pick runs it). Clausen stepped up bigger in bigger games, whereas Bradford was about the same in tougher games than in normal games.

This isn’t saying I don’t like Bradford. I think of Bradford as an Eli Manning type player, a player who is smart and can magnify the talent around him, making he will only be just a little better than the players around him. When Eli Manning was first drafted to a struggling team, he made them just a little bit better. Once they added more talent around him, he took them to the Super Bowl, but when Plaxico Burress shot himself in the leg, he struggled again going 8-9 since that incident. I see Clausen more as a traditional gunslinger, a Tony Romo, or if you want an example of one who runs a West Coast offense, Aaron Rodgers. He lacks both of their mobility, but other than that, they are very similar quarterbacks and Clausen should have similar success. I tend to go with the Romo comparison a little bit more because people don’t like him (and people don’t like Clausen) and because Romo is not quite a proven winner yet (though this year was definitely a step in the right direction).